Listener Ben K. recently asked several really good questions on the Idea Submission page.  Specifically, Ben asked questions revolving around the idea of leaving the institutional church.  How does one communicate that decision to the pastor without appearing to be criticizing that pastor’s work?  In this episode, Ray and Steve discuss some of their own experiences in leaving the institution, and attempt to give some guarded advice to people like Ben who are heading in the same direction.

Near the end of the episode, we mention the book “So You Don’t Want to Go to Church Anymore”.  If you’re interested in that book, you can go to