In the words of Phil Vischer (creator of Big Idea Productions – home of VeggieTales), many Christians view “impact” for the kingdom in similar ways that corporations and businesses view success in their companies.  Bigger is better, and anything that’s not reaching thousands or millions is “inefficient”.

Continuing some of the thoughts in recent episodes regarding large ministries and leader-centered organizations, Ray and Steve discuss Phil Vischer’s thoughts and the lessons he learned through the collapse of his “big idea” and dream company.