Comments on: Just Not Fitting In http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/ Two guys thinking out loud about life beyond the box of institutional religion Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:43:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Kimber http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2911 Kimber Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:29:51 +0000 http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/?p=126#comment-2911 Although I was recently told that there was no 'secret spearhead effort' at instituting that the SoF be signed by our members (currently only those in leadership have to sign), I do know that there is a subversive portion of the group who would not be opposed to this happening. There is already a SoF in our bylaws, so that would be the one that would have to be signed. And there is an article in the bylaws that state that the leadership can amend the bylaws by a certain majority. The end goal? We have a bit of diversity in our group, those who practice Judaism, Roman Catholics as well as a couple of us who won't be labled. I was actually nominated to run for a leadership position last year, but declined. If I were elected, I would have to sign this SoF, and will not do so 'on principle'... but I also have other reasons. I have blogged about it recently and got some backlash from the leadership already. ::rolls eyes:: Although I was recently told that there was no ‘secret spearhead effort’ at instituting that the SoF be signed by our members (currently only those in leadership have to sign), I do know that there is a subversive portion of the group who would not be opposed to this happening. There is already a SoF in our bylaws, so that would be the one that would have to be signed. And there is an article in the bylaws that state that the leadership can amend the bylaws by a certain majority.

The end goal? We have a bit of diversity in our group, those who practice Judaism, Roman Catholics as well as a couple of us who won’t be labled. I was actually nominated to run for a leadership position last year, but declined. If I were elected, I would have to sign this SoF, and will not do so ‘on principle’… but I also have other reasons.

I have blogged about it recently and got some backlash from the leadership already. ::rolls eyes::

]]> By: Raborn http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2910 Raborn Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:00:43 +0000 http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/?p=126#comment-2910 Kimber, Thanks for stopping by! I'm looking forward to reading your blogposts about this. My first question is this--who gets to decide what is in this statement of faith? Is this something that you guys are goint to hammer out in community or does the leadership decide it? Have they given any reasons for why they want to require members to sign? What is the end goal? Or as Steve likes to say "What does that buy us?" :) Kimber,
Thanks for stopping by!

I’m looking forward to reading your blogposts about this.

My first question is this–who gets to decide what is in this statement of faith? Is this something that you guys are goint to hammer out in community or does the leadership decide it? Have they given any reasons for why they want to require members to sign? What is the end goal? Or as Steve likes to say “What does that buy us?” :)

]]> By: Kimber http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2908 Kimber Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:24:21 +0000 http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/?p=126#comment-2908 A friend told me about your podcast last week. I began listening to this podcast first. The crazy thing is that I am finding myself in the middle of a big ol' stinking mess surrounding a statement of faith in a homeschool group. Our homeschool group does not require the members to sign but the leadership is required to sign. The leadership is now kicking around the idea to make it a requirement of the membership. I'm making some noise on my blog about this and your podcast was very timely! A friend told me about your podcast last week. I began listening to this podcast first. The crazy thing is that I am finding myself in the middle of a big ol’ stinking mess surrounding a statement of faith in a homeschool group.

Our homeschool group does not require the members to sign but the leadership is required to sign. The leadership is now kicking around the idea to make it a requirement of the membership.

I’m making some noise on my blog about this and your podcast was very timely!

]]> By: Dana http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2858 Dana Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:36:47 +0000 http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/?p=126#comment-2858 Definitely can relate to not fitting in, probably because I'm still not really sure what I believe at times and feel uncomfortable committing myself to a certain point of view. Definitely can relate to not fitting in, probably because I’m still not really sure what I believe at times and feel uncomfortable committing myself to a certain point of view.

]]> By: Sandy Farmer http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2857 Sandy Farmer Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:04:07 +0000 http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/?p=126#comment-2857 Sounds good. Thanks for getting back to me. I love to talk about everything. And this is why I enjoy Beyond The box and Wayne.. I look forward to hearing your responce. Sounds good. Thanks for getting back to me. I love to talk about everything. And this is why I enjoy Beyond The box and Wayne..

I look forward to hearing your responce.

]]> By: Raborn http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2856 Raborn Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:45:39 +0000 http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/?p=126#comment-2856 Hi Sandy, Thanks so much for listening. It is so easy to "measure" people isn't it? I still find myself falling into that trap. But, by the grace of God, He is teaching us how to stop judging anyone "according to the flesh". Rather that respond in a comment, Steve wanted to address your initial question at the beginning of our newest episode. We just recorded it and hopefully can get it up on the site in the next couple of days. We would love to interact with you more on this topic if you would like. I know that I am interested in talking more about this topic in our newest series that we are starting this week on different theories of the atonement. This series will probably be a 4-6 week series dealing with the meaning of the phrase "Jesus died for our sins". Hopefully some more clarification can be given on this during that series. Thanks again for listening and interacting with us :) Hi Sandy,
Thanks so much for listening. It is so easy to “measure” people isn’t it? I still find myself falling into that trap. But, by the grace of God, He is teaching us how to stop judging anyone “according to the flesh”.

Rather that respond in a comment, Steve wanted to address your initial question at the beginning of our newest episode. We just recorded it and hopefully can get it up on the site in the next couple of days. We would love to interact with you more on this topic if you would like. I know that I am interested in talking more about this topic in our newest series that we are starting this week on different theories of the atonement. This series will probably be a 4-6 week series dealing with the meaning of the phrase “Jesus died for our sins”. Hopefully some more clarification can be given on this during that series. Thanks again for listening and interacting with us :)

]]> By: Sandy Farmer http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2855 Sandy Farmer Mon, 14 Sep 2009 02:59:58 +0000 http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/?p=126#comment-2855 My husband and I have enjoyed listening to you on the podcast. We are currently enjoying discovering Jesus outside of the traditional church. I know that the main stream church has at times clouded my thinking of Jesus. I must say I wasn't sure what to think about what I heard tonight. I even went to your webite to read your short list of what you do believe:) I was thrown back about Jesus and what if he wasn't God. I know you believe He is and it is important to believe that about him. So, did we misunderstand you? I am sorry if I did, maybe you could explain it to me. I agree so much about not fitting in and how what church I belong to makes people feel safe around me:) I have even used that as a way to "measure" people:) Still working on that:) Thank you... My husband and I have enjoyed listening to you on the podcast.
We are currently enjoying discovering Jesus outside of the traditional church. I know that the main stream church has at times clouded my thinking of Jesus.

I must say I wasn’t sure what to think about what I heard tonight.
I even went to your webite to read your short list of what you do believe:) I was thrown back about Jesus and what if he wasn’t God.

I know you believe He is and it is important to believe that about him.
So, did we misunderstand you?

I am sorry if I did, maybe you could explain it to me.

I agree so much about not fitting in and how what church I belong to makes people feel safe around me:) I have even used that as a way to “measure” people:) Still working on that:)

Thank you…

]]> By: Stan http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/2009/09/just-not-fitting-in/comment-page-1/#comment-2854 Stan Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:04:24 +0000 http://www.beyondtheboxpodcast.com/?p=126#comment-2854 Awesome! Awesome! Show! I understand not fitting in with those who are involved in one christian faith or another. I have tried to discuss many things in the bible or just asked questions and have seen their eyes glaze over. Most don't even know what is in the very book they are suppose to be taught from. And most don't question what they are taught. I have a friend who owns a small IS computer service company and he had a job at a church that has a program that tracked its members and how often they attended and how much they have Tithed. If a member has missed church or failed to tith the required amount they send a letter or a bill telling them to step up attendence or their tithing based upon their activity in the church. And its my understanding that a number of churches have gotten together to create a unified belief where Muslim , Jewish and christian faith are actually one faith. As a Chinese saying goes; may we live in intresting times. Awesome! Awesome! Show! I understand not fitting in with those who are involved in one christian faith or another. I have tried to discuss many things in the bible or just asked questions and have seen their eyes glaze over. Most don’t even know what is in the very book they are suppose to be taught from. And most don’t question what they are taught. I have a friend who owns a small IS computer service company and he had a job at a church that has a program that tracked its members and how often they attended and how much they have Tithed. If a member has missed church or failed to tith the required amount they send a letter or a bill telling them to step up attendence or their tithing based upon their activity in the church. And its my understanding that a number of churches have gotten together to create a unified belief where Muslim , Jewish and christian faith are actually one faith. As a Chinese saying goes; may we live in intresting times.

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